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Login prompt: Redo refuses to open graphical interface #60

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francogp opened this issue Nov 12, 2020 · 12 comments
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Login prompt: Redo refuses to open graphical interface #60

francogp opened this issue Nov 12, 2020 · 12 comments

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@francogp
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  1. If I start from an USB, it never boots on version 3.0.2
  2. If I boot from a CD, when it's loading, it goes to a terminal asking for login, or sometimes the terminal state that firmware fail
@francogp
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When booting from CD, I get this on 2 different PC
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@zebradots
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Questions:

  1. Which type of GPU does this system have? Is it a newer nVIDIA or AMD chipset?
  2. Out of curiosity, are you able to boot from a Debian 10 Live DVD image?

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francogp commented Nov 24, 2020

Questions:

  1. Which type of GPU does this system have? Is it a newer nVIDIA or AMD chipset?
  2. Out of curiosity, are you able to boot from a Debian 10 Live DVD image?
  1. It's an integrated intel
  2. I did not try debian, but ubuntu did boot

I tested this on 3 different pc.. same results (all 3 with intel VGA)

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Redo is based on Debian, so testing Ubuntu will not help us determine much, but it is good that Ubuntu boots. Debian 10 made significant changes to graphics hardware support, and many of the adapters now require additional kernel modules or firmware blobs that may not be included with Debian by default (though we have tried to overcome this). This is due to Debian's commendable open source ethos, which is an effort to avoid proprietary firmware blobs and binaries.

Anyway, if you can get Debian 10 live to run (not the installer, but an actual live environment), then we'll need to determine why Redo isn't working as well.

@zebradots zebradots changed the title refuse to boot Login prompt: refuse to boot Dec 12, 2020
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zebradots commented Dec 12, 2020

Debian 9 rarely ever had an unsupported GPU. Unfortunately, Debian 10 is making this a lot more common. UEFI support required moving to Debian 10, and it seems that many graphics adapters boot into a text login prompt rather than the graphical interface.

Anyone with information on how to effectively force VESA or framebuffer mode in Debian 10, feel free to chime in!

@zebradots zebradots changed the title Login prompt: refuse to boot Login prompt: Redo refuses to open graphical interface Dec 12, 2020
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agnivo007 commented Dec 14, 2020

Anyone with information on how to effectively force VESA or framebuffer mode in Debian 10, feel free to chime in!

I'm gathering input from a reputed source as till now here's what I have:

I can suggest Debian 10 boot options as usual: nomodeset
After that as per platform, for UEFI, we have fbdev, for Legacy, we have fbdev/vesa.

Then we can generate xorg conf to stop loading other drivers:
sudo make-xorg-conf -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf (vesa OR fbdev here)

Will add when I get more inputs...

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vzro commented Dec 18, 2020

Is it possible that it's an issue between the 10th gen Intel Processor's internal GPU (UHD 630) and the kernel still being 4.x.y in the Redo Rescue image (downloaded the latest available from SourceForge)?

I have a 10th gen Intel Processor here (i7 10750H) with a UHD 630 iGPU and I can confirm I can't boot Redo Rescue or the latest stable Debian Live image I downloaded from the official Debian website.

I'm not an expert, but if that's the problem, Redo Rescue should release a new version already using the 5.x.y kernel.

The only other option is doing that yourself and re-building the ISO, I believe.

@francogp
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I'm using: 8th gen Intel processor, and it fail as the OP

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vzro commented Dec 18, 2020

I'm using: 8th gen Intel processor, and it fail as the OP

This is what's shown to me after I try to boot the lastest version downloaded from SourceForge, using the failsafe graphics option at bootloader:

PXL_20201218_135537675

I've tried to edit the boot parameters and add video=vesa to see if I could force it not to try to use the internal or external video adapters so I could get to the GUI but it didn't work.

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It is clear from user reports that Debian 10 itself is not well supported by a number of modern systems. This is the tradeoff that was required to implement UEFI and Secure Boot support, and it has been a difficult transition for some. We apologize for this lapse in kernel support. Improved hardware support will likely come with Debian 11, and we will then base Redo on the new Debian stable to take advantage of the newer kernel.

@ByronJac505
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It is clear from user reports that Debian 10 itself is not well supported by a number of modern systems. This is the tradeoff that was required to implement UEFI and Secure Boot support, and it has been a difficult transition for some. We apologize for this lapse in kernel support. Improved hardware support will likely come with Debian 11, and we will then base Redo on the new Debian stable to take advantage of the newer kernel.

any update bro, or an alternative solution please.

@Torsten-K
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Redo Rescue 4.0.0 does not start the graphical user interface on netbook ASUS EeePC R101 (unable to connect to X server: Connection refused), and it doesn’t on netbook Acer Aspire One PAV70 either (same error message). Old machines, I know.

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