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MS itself links to the list on docs.microsoft from the official Win11 announcement website. |
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Literally the first line on the page of the first link
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See my last post which is updated. An this line you mentioned says that system with the listed processor can run Win11. |
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This is the official requirements for non-Systems Integrators |
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Even the "Health Check App" released by MS will report that an 7th gen CPU with PTT, Secure Boot and UEFI turned on is fine to upgrade. |
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Microsoft is releasing a post soon about all the confusion involving the requirements, so would probably just wait until then instead of arguing about specifics. |
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Absolutely. Agreed. |
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It's likely using the same sources that the PC health app is using. Doesn't make sense as to why the PC health app is using them if the list is only for OEM but we'll have to wait and see if MS can repair the hellshow that's been unleashed because of their poor communication |
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Yeah, they've totally screwed the messaging on this. All the docs have now been updated in the last hour or so to remove all the soft limit specs they had listed before. They really need to get a handle on this, as the messaging is seriously confusing now. Initial requirements were TPM 1.2+, UEFI, 64bit dual core CPU. Now suddenly that's not going to work? Right now I think ZDNet has the best details around wtf is going on - https://www.zdnet.com/article/will-your-pc-run-windows-11-even-microsoft-cant-say-for-sure/ |
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Microsoft's own Director of OS Security isn't having a great time on Twitter either. One tweet saying skylake-gen processors are supported only to then say in a reply that the 7th gen is below the requirements and that 8th gen+ is what's supported(???) and then tries to go back on the main tweet reply entirely. Really not a great start for Windows as this has completely eclipsed any discussion of the OS itself. |
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This will not change until I see an official report that Microsoft has changed their notably stupid stance and updates https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements. Thankfully, I have set the CPU lists to be easily updatable without having to update the application itself once they do. |
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I have a 7th gen CPU with a true TPM chip, Secure Boot and UEFI turned on and the app reports it's not fine to upgrade. |
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WhyNotWin11 or PCHealthCheck from Microsoft? |
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PCHealthCheck by MS, in the "WhyNotWin11" app is everything green except the CPU. |
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@gjsman , whatever will come out won't be that different from the build, and like other users here have said, Win 11 features aren't outstanding from Win 10, the UI is the only significant change in my opinion. Also, there will always be ways to install Win 11 on older PCs, doesn't really matter if it's a build or final software. What does matter though is what you get from Win 11, is it really an upgrade or downgrade? |
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Im confused how supporting an OS that game out in 2009 until 2020, when its successor came out in 2012 makes that statement false but whatever, you seem very set in your belief. Would you want to support old versions of a software as complicated as Windows until the end of time? Because I wouldn't |
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Because Windows 10 came out in 2015, and will be supported up to 2029, when successor came will come out in 2021/2022. That's about the same timeframe, so your statement "its only recently that Microsoft has started dropping support for windows versions in short timeframes" is false. |
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And if you count LTSC do not forget to also count all ESU of older Windows (egg. Windows 7 will be getting ESU updates till 2023) |
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@micwoj92 Windows 10 is only supported until 2025, not 2029. |
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@gjsman Isn't 2019 LTSC up to 2029? |
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@micwoj92 LTSC, when licensed as part of Windows 10 Enterprise, is licensed until 2029. Every other Windows 10 version, including Enterprise, dies in 2025. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-and-education |
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Oh, thanks for the info. Wasn't aware of that. |
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@gjsman Apple produces the hardware and the software so I can understand that they would only support hardware for a ten year period. Also I have seen a few people out there (even on sites like zdnet.com "Orphaned by Windows 11? I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore") partly implying in the headline, and in much of the article, that the reason they are deciding to move to an Apple PC is because they don't end support for their products, which obviously is not true. It is not until you read much further that you can see he expects to get up to 3 OS updates. One thing people are not realizing though is that there have been several new versions of Windows 10 released, each with new features and functionality, albeit some are minor. I do not expect Microsoft to stop this just because Windows 11 is being released, however I do expect it to slow down. I would actually expect some new features, first developed for Windows 11, to eventually make it to Windows 10 before it is no longer supported as a way to entice people to get the newer OS. If I have misunderstood anything, please let me know, but that is how I see things currently. Essentially, Apple and Microsoft both support their products for 10 years on average. |
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My laptop is from 2017 but it is not supported (I have everything they require, except that the CPU is 6th gen). At best, it will be supported until 2025, which means only 8 years of support. This is unacceptable in the PC space. I mean, they go from supporting 32-bit CPUs to only supporting CPUs from 20117/2018 onwards. That's too extreme and it's a move that you would in the smartphone market, not on the PC market! |
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@petersaints I do agree that this new cut off does really suck and I hope they change their minds on this. |
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You know that the average Mac gets 7 years of new feature updates, followed by 3 years of security updates, right? People on Windows tend to underestimate how long Macs get updates. My grandma's iMac from 2011 just lost support this year, and that was because it didn't support Metal API so updating to the next version would have no hardware accelerated graphics. |
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From what I have read and watched in several articles my gut feeling is that a 6th generation Intel Core processor should specs-wise be sufficient to do the job for Windows 11. e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwsYGGiUVVM It will be interesting to see how Windows 11's current CPU requirement fiasco will further develop. If not, many people may experience this as 'back to the old Micro$oft'. Until proven wrong with facts my assumption is that 6th gen Intel Core CPU (Skylake) and newer will be perfectly suitable for running Windows 11. |
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Skylake doesn't support Mode Based Execution Control (MBEC) which means it takes a big performance hit when implementing Hypervisor-protected code integrity (HVCI) so if security is the reason from MS then I can see 7th gens intel chips being supported but it's unlikely to stand over 6th gen if they want to make the feature mandatory |
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True, they seem to want us to believe that Windows 11 will only work with HVCI and that MBEC is required to make it run smoothly. However, according to their own documentation the feature is optional but enabled by default on systems that support it: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-hvci-enablement#default-enablement Just some key snippets from that page:
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Agreed but I guess we need to wait for RTM to see if 'unsupported' means microsoft are acknowledging the sub-optimal nature of the CPUs or if they'll actively prevent enthusiasts from upgrading even if they meet the other requirements. |
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https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/06/30/windows-11-is-already-running-on-raspberry-pi-4/ |
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Looks like Microsoft has heard our cries, becuase they added a huge amount of processors to their list of officially-compatible ones: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-10-21h1-supported-intel-processors That's just the Intel processors for Windows 10 21H1... i bet if we were to comb through the other listings (located at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements ), we'd see even more compatible chips.... and yes, my i7-7700HQ was finally added to the list, which turned my good day into a great one! :D |
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No AMD chips updates yet :( |
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But... This is a list for 10 21H1, isn't it? How does this relate to 11? |
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See #362 |
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This is a list for Windows 10 21H1, not for Windows 11. Windows 10 will still have feature updates with the old CPU requirements list. Windows 11's list hasn't changed. |
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ohhh.. derp. sorry. i must've gotten the lists confused after a long day's work... deeply sorry for any confusion that happened! |
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Hello, i would like to notice you that there is a processor called Ryzen 5 1600 AF (12 nm refresh) based on AMD Second generation Zen+ processors that uses the same name as Ryzen 5 1600, but it is actually a refresh version of Ryzen 5 1600, with AF added to the name, it is manufactured in 12nm architecture that second generation based ryzen processors use. It is shown on Wiki about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Ryzen_processors
Also Microsoft didn't give any information regarding this processor, but let this be known here for better knowledge about requirements if you allow it. So maybe you can add it to the CPU supported list in the future. Thank you |
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For Windows 10 - 21H1 - Supported Intel Processors list of 05/18/2021 |
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Windows 10 21H1 is not Windows 11! They have different lists of supported processors! Here is the list for Windows 11: |
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Thanks SilverCutePony for your answer and for the list applicable for Windows 11 |
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Ryzen 3 1600 AF processors are shown as compatible per MS's Pc Health Check app, but WhyNot11 is using the "nominal" specification list. |
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Do the "SupportedProcessorsIntel/AMD/etc.txt" files need to be continuously updated with new CPU releases so that WhyNotWin11 will continue to properly detect supported ones? If so, are there any plans to make WhyNotWin11 function like Microsoft's PowerShell HardwareReadiness.ps1 script @ https://aka.ms/HWReadinessScript to automatically account for processors past certain processor family/model/stepping values... which theoretically should automatically be supported since they are newer? If this is an incorrect assumption, let me know. |
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No, processor family support should work fine as of the latest update. If it is not, please let me know! |
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The CPU Compatibility list is coming from the Systems Integrator page, not an actual requirement for Windows 11 support. See the same page for Windows 10 - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/windows-processor-requirements Notice how there's a lot of missing CPUs that install Windows 10 just fine? Don't equate Systems Integrator requirements with OS requirements. These are ONLY to receive the "Windows Genuine Badge" for systems integrators - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
Ok, this is getting crazy now...story is changing constantly from MS camp. Best to wait?
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